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Ideas to aggressively delete or mostly blank poor-quality entries[edit]

I am currently streaming a video conference about the Cherokee language and language-revitalization efforts from Western Carolina University's Cherokee Language program[1] where Dr. Hartwell Francis, the former director, is speaking. To paraphrase him, he stated that the Cherokee-language community has been aware of this project for a decade, but that many of the current Wikipedia articles are of remarkably poor quality because of the influence of bot-generated entries. This makes even looking at them incredibly demotivating because the challenge of fixing them is so daunting. Thus, he suggests cleaning up the project and perhaps revitalizing it through aggressive deleting of low-quality entries.

A possible alternative to mass deletion might be mass partial blanking to encourage more human-created edits. A poor quality article could be reduced to some boiler-plate text like "XXX is in need of an article" or "XXX had the previous article replaced with this text because it was poor-quality, but please feel free to begin a new article now", but in Cherokee. I am not a Cherokee-speaker, but I could help make these edits (or teach someone else to) if a boiler-plate text and a list of the low-quality demotivating entries were provided. I plan to notify Dr. Hartwell Francis about this thread, and let him know that I believe an bold approach like this is warranted (and feasible) in order to deal with what appears like a stagnant project. Any ideas? Biosthmors (talk) 16:00, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

Ping to User:Ooswesthoesbes, who I see has helped start short articles here (for example ᏣᎳᎩ ᎫᎾᏕᎶᏆᏍᏗ ᏚᏓᏥᏍᎬᎢ). Biosthmors (talk) 16:16, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

If partial blanking or mass deletion of those pages results in more activity from native (or at least fluent) speakers, I have no objections :) Although I believe pages like ᏅᏃᎯ are also important to look at, as they seem to be bot generated articles which are not fully translated and probably incorrectly as well. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 16:35, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply Ooswesthoesbes. For ᏅᏃᎯ, yes, I'd guess, just based on hearing people talk about Cherokee Wikipedia, that a lot is probably incorrectly translated. The concept of turning articles into much shorter versions of themselves ("stubs") should also be considered. (For reference, on English Wikipedia the concept is referred to as "stubifying".) If a couple sentences of useful content can be preserved or generated, then massively chopping a gargantuan poor-quality article down to a factual sentence or short paragraph is also a significant improvement. Biosthmors (talk) 17:20, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

Cherokee Wikipedia is a 2007 guinea pig victim of an experiment in machine translation run by Jeffrey Merkey. The shit was just dumped onto the pages en masse. Any page longer than one sentence was produced by a computer program, and no human ever looked at it. Seb az86556 (talk) 21:41, 26 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I found this showing more info about their contributions elsewhere. Biosthmors (talk) 21:53, 27 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)
It's a very bad situation indeed. Automatic translation is especially bad when used for languages that are totally unrelated and function with a different grammar, such as from English to Cherokee. I propose to use a bot to add a template on top of all pages, so we can work to a way to fix them. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 13:41, 28 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)
My understanding is that there are several hundred articles on this wiki? I've been clicking the random page generator button (top left "ᎤᏍᏆᏂᎪᏗ ᎤᏆᏓᏛ", for anyone who doesn't know] and blanking down to "Subject ...", as I just did here. This is blunt, but I just want to get started. I did see someone edit a page on this wiki to add a category, marking an article as machine translated. Maybe most of the horrendous articles are already categorized? I'll post that category when/if I find it. Biosthmors (talk) 18:11, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)
Category:Machine-translated articles. So after one cleans one up, remove the category? I just did this with ᏓᎬᎾ ᏥᏳ ᏗᏔᎳᏗᏍᏗ ᏚᎦᏘᎸᏒᎢ. Biosthmors (talk) 18:31, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)
908 articles on chr wikipedia as of february, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 22:53, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)
If we just had a list of articles on here sorted by size that would really help, since the large ones appear to be the garbage ones. Biosthmors (talk) 23:26, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2018 (UTC)
Special:LongPages is the link for this. Biosthmors (talk) 14:32, 3 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC) Thanks Biosthmors
I now start from number 5 6 7 8 9 10 13 or below in that list to find candidates to cleanup, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 15:33, 17 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
That's good :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 14:59, 18 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Biosthmors for starting this conversation and Ooswesthoesbes and Seb az86556 for providing context and clarification on the machine translation debacle. I see that editor was banned from Wikipedia a decade ago.

I also gave some remarks at the symposium at Western Carolina (I'm Derek). I think there would be interest in organizing an edit-a-thon out at Western Carolina, and hopefully we could get some of the fluent speakers to attend along with advanced learners. It would be great if, in preparation, we could clean all the garbage articles out. I like the idea of blanking them with boilerplate. It would be nice if there was a bot to do this, but if there are just a few hundred articles, we could probably get it done manually? I'm not a speaker, but could coordinate the translation of the boilerplate or template by a fluent speaker.

What else should we be considering if we wanted to reboot this project with an edit-a-thon? --R12ntech (talk) 18:24, 9 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we can get a user run a bot to mark all pages automatically. That shouldn't be too much work. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:18, 10 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Shall I make a request so someone will run a bot on this wiki to mark all pages with a category like [[Category:To be checked]]? Or would you prefer the category to have another name? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:23, 13 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

That would be great, thanks. --R12ntech (talk) 15:40, 13 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
A user has already indicated she is willing to help us out :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 16:28, 18 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Is it correct that simply all pages in the main namespace should be added to the category "To be checked"? Should I run my bot with or without a bot flag? --MF-Warburg (talk) 12:12, 19 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that's correct. As there are virtually no edits on this wiki, I think a bot flag is not necessary. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:34, 20 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
Done. By the way, I also unprotected a lot of pages in the Wikipedia namespace, see Special:Log/protect, which might be worth to look at / update / delete / ... --MF-Warburg (talk) 12:59, 20 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Hopefully we can address the issue soon :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 14:53, 20 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
@Biosthmors, if you look here, Cherokee is currently at the top of the "100+ articles" list. If you start mass blanking and/deleting existing pages, then Cherokee's ranking in the list would decrease to near the bottom. In the past, language editions such as Chamorro, Dzongkha, Sango, Venda, Kirundi, Inupiak, Inuktitut, Xitsonga were all proposed by various users for Closure due to the low number of articles and no native speakers contributing, Language projects that were closed down (ie. locked down) include Ndonga, Choctaw, Kuanyama, Marshallese, Hiri Motu, Afar and Muscogee.
Even Zulu wikipedia was proposed for closure in the past, now would anyone even think of closing Zulu Wikipedia?

Mass deletion/blanking of pages will not result in a revival of Cherokee wikipedia, it would result in its continued stagnation and attract zero native speakers to edit here. Imagine if all the stubs of Kashmiri Wikipedia were deleted right now, would a flood of Kashmiris start editing there? Highly unlikely. There are other methods that can be utilized to revive a Wikipedia project and they ought to be explored. --Philip J (talk) 04:18, 27 ᎧᎦᎵ 2019 (UTC)

There are 16,000 Cherokee speakers. If each Cherokee speaker created 1 article on Cherokee Wikipedia, then there will be 16,000 articles. Just ensure that they create good quality articles and not short 1 sentence stubs. The New Kituwah Academy teaches Cherokee to students. Maybe they can be contacted to participate here as part of a school classroom project? --Philip J (talk) 04:32, 27 ᎧᎦᎵ 2019 (UTC)
The biggest problem here is that there are 0 contributors with enough knowledge to create true articles. Contacting the Cherokee nation has been tried earlier, maybe through the wrong channels.
It should be noted that inactivity or no contents is generally no longer considered to be a valid reason to lock or delete a wiki nowadays. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:40, 27 ᎧᎦᎵ 2019 (UTC)

Random thoughts for someone knowledgeable about Cherokee[edit]

  • I searched for ᎠᎹᏍᎧᎦᎯ at cherokeedictionary.net but there were no hits. I noticed that one source defined a waterfall as ᎠᎹ ᎦᏙᎣᏍᎬᎢ, but I believe that was derived from a self-published source, for what it's worth. I wonder if it is an incorrect title. Biosthmors (talk) 10:14, 2 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
    • That website didn't have a definition for badger, so it's not as comprehensive as I was hoping, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 16:56, 2 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm surprised to see that Jupiter ᏧᏈᏓ has Cherokee names for 50 of its moons. Where could that be verified? The word list cited in the article doesn't go into that kind of detail. Biosthmors (talk) 23:00, 2 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)
  • Category:ᎠᎾᎵᏏᎾᎯᏍᏗᏍᎩ shows the word being used most commonly for economics here, but ᎠᎾᎵᏏᏀᎢᏍᏗᏍᎩ (my emphasis) is given when one searches for a match at http://cherokeedictionary.net/ Biosthmors (talk) 20:08, 2 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
    • Shall I move the category to the correct form "ᎠᎾᎵᏏᏀᎢᏍᏗᏍᎩ", including all the pages that are in it? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:52, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
      • Maybe we should wait for someone who knows more about Cherokee to comment? I've heard some words can be represented with alternate forms. But if you want to be bold and go ahead and do so, I wouldn't object. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 19:27, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
        • Is there a difference between "economy" and "economics" in English? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:13, 4 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
          • Yes. Why do you ask about that? ᎠᎵᏏᏅᏙᏗ is given as economy in the Noquisis word list, for what it's worth. And I'm assuming a bit that ᎠᎾᎵᏏᎾᎯᏍᏗᏍᎩ means economics anyhow, from context. A recent post here shows two varieties (Eastern and Western) for the word for en:w:Fire Pink, for what it's worth. I wonder if ᎠᎾᎵᏏᎾᎯᏍᏗᏍᎩ and ᎠᎾᎵᏏᏀᎢᏍᏗᏍᎩ are just two different dialectal forms. Biosthmors (talk) 23:55, 5 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
            • In that case, let's leave it for now. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:24, 7 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Interface translation[edit]

This Wikipedia was created before the Incubator system, so there has apparently never been a major push to complete the interface translation. If anyone wants to work on this, the Cherokee portal on translatewiki is here: [2], and the direct link to the "most important messages" for the Mediawiki interface is here: [3]

Here's a brief article on the topic: Translating the software that powers Wikipedia --R12ntech (talk) 19:32, 11 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for these links. One of the interface links I have been creating a decent amount is one via Template:Commons. However, I just(diff) unlinked the term ᏫᎩᎻᏗᎠ ᎪᎼᏄᏍ in this template because I'm guessing ᏫᎩᎻᏗᎠ ᎪᎼᏄᏍ means Wikimedia Commons and a separate link to/about that project seems slightly spammy, as if we're promoting Wikimedia Foundation wikis over other sources. Biosthmors (talk) 15:22, 19 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2018 (UTC)
It would be nice to have Template:Stub translated into Cherokee. Biosthmors (talk) 13:07, 15 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)
Yes, any idea how to translate this? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:44, 19 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Admin[edit]

Considering we probably got a lot of clean-up work to do, I want to request admin rights to delete unsalvageable pages, so we don't get a way too long backlog. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 14:59, 18 ᎧᏩᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Temporary admin access has been granted, so I can delete pages now for clean up. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:13, 1 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
Cool. Would it be reasonable for you to post here (or somewhere else) what you might delete and why? Maybe we could use this thread as a place to propose/discuss/act upon articles people think would be better off deleted. To begin, I've noticed some random pages around here, such as Zemeros flegyas, a S. and SE Asian butterfly species, or Ayyavazhi, a Hindu denomination. I would guess that those articles would be good candidates to delete because they are in no way connected to the Cherokee language, culture, or history, as far as I am aware. (Actually I notice that Ooswesthoesbes you created the one on the butterfly, for what it's worth.) Biosthmors (talk) 20:22, 2 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
Sure, post them here.
Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is an ideal platform for Sprachausbau: showing that the Cherokee language is more than just connected to its own culture, and can be used to discuss everything in all domains (including things on the other side of the world, or even further). A more valid reason to delete Zemeros flegyas would be that it has no real contents except for an image and the chances are low that it will be expanded. (As you are aware, I have only superficial knowledge of Cherokee and can't write my own sentences. I created the article a long time ago. Then they wanted to close this wiki, and I tried to do some activity to prevent closure). --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:50, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
I agree with what you're saying about Sprachausbau. I'd say the unlikeliness that it will be expanded would be the best reason. My cleanup activities around here (example) are premised on the idea that the beginning of a sentence (despite it not containing any significant content) will make it easier for someone to write a decent introductory sentence or two on a topic. Biosthmors (talk) 19:22, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)
Sure :) Mark any page you see fit for deletion with {{Delete}}, and I'll run through them. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:13, 4 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

ᎠᏑᏫᏍᏗ means rouge according to http://cherokeedictionary.net/ , but it is currently the title of the article for color. Color appears to be ᏗᎧᏃᏗ, which is currently only a redirect to ᎠᏑᏫᏍᏗ. Perhaps we should delete the redirect at ᏗᎧᏃᏗ and move the color article there, then delete the leftover redirect for ᎠᏑᏫᏍᏗ? Biosthmors (talk) 19:37, 3 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Done. However, I kept the redirect for now, as it is linked a lot. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:13, 4 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Delete?[edit]

I placed {{Delete}} on Sung Jae-gi. I think we should delete it because it seems unlikely it will ever be expanded to contain quality Cherokee-language content. I also don't like the idea that it has an English name as a title, but I imagine that can't be avoided sometimes. For comparison, at en:w:Sung Jae-gi, the article has been getting an average of 12 page views a day, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 16:33, 15 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

That page is just POV-pushing spam (self-promotional), so it's gone. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:53, 16 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᏩᎦᏧᎧᏅᏍᏕᎾ ᎤᏂᎾᏗᏅᏗ, an article on market trends. I think this article should be deleted because it is a highly specialized topic that is unlikely to be edited, was machine-translated, and seems better scrubbed from the site than to even leave a stub. The article hasn't had any significant edits in the last 12 or so years. I only see that some minor edits (such as fixing transliterations into the Cherokee script) have been made. Biosthmors (talk) 02:36, 23 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I agree, it is way too specific for now. It's better to focus on articles with more priority. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:49, 23 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I marked ᎠᏥᎸᏍᎩ because it appears to be a common word for flower (but can also mean either rose or orchid per the online dictionary) that is currently redirecting to the rose article. Flower (ᎠᏥᎸᏍᎩ) is a fundamental topic that should exist as a red link until a standalone article is created, in my opinion. Biosthmors (talk) 02:19, 25 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Agreed :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:29, 25 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I marked ᎠᏓᏍᏕᎸᏗ with {{Delete}}. It took me longer than usual to get a decent idea about what's the topic of the article. The online dictionary gives definitions of aid, charity, rescue, assist, protect, intercede, and relief for the term. Wikidata thinks it's about the Great Commandment. One reason I'm of the opinion to delete is because there isn't an apparent lead section/first sentence to orient readers. (ᎧᏁᏨ means word so I'm guessing that first section is about etymology?) For what it's worth, en:w:Charity (virtue) and en:w:Charity (practice) are separate topics on English Wikipedia. It seems charity is the topic of the article. There have been no significant edits to the article in the last 12 years, only minor changes from Roman letters into the Cherokee syllabary since the machine-translated data dump. It just seems better to delete this one to me. Biosthmors (talk) 17:56, 29 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

Done. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 12:27, 30 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2018 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎪᎱᏍᏗ ᎬᏔᏂᏓᏍᏗ. This machine-translated article is intended to be about tools. However, the term ᎪᎱᏍᏗ ᎬᏔᏂᏓᏍᏗ is defined as instruments in the Cherokee online dictionary. (Another term is used for tools.) It appears this article is so bad that it can't even get the title right. We might as well scrap it. Biosthmors (talk) 13:31, 8 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Similarly, I placed {{Delete}} on ᏁᎵᏒ. It is supposed to be about thought, but the dictionary defines it as assumed. Another word is given for thought. Biosthmors (talk) 23:34, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

And I placed {{Delete}} on ᏕᎦᏃᏣᎸ because it is machine-translated to be about telegraphy, but the dictionary defines ᏕᎦᏃᏣᎸ as publication. For what it's worth, the dictionary says telegram is ᎠᎾᎦᎳᏔᏅ. Biosthmors (talk) 13:08, 13 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I'll deal with those pages once I get the necessary tools. Did you forget to place the deletion template on ᏕᎦᏃᏣᎸ or have you changed your mind? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:00, 14 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Great. Yes, I forgot to place the template. I'll do that now. Thank you. Biosthmors (talk) 13:09, 14 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Please delete Coat of Arms. It's drive by tagging/vandalism. Biosthmors (talk) 00:50, 24 ᎧᏩᏂ 2019 (UTC)

Done. If any new pages are created by vandalism, you can just tag them. I will regularly check Recent changes anyway :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:14, 24 ᎧᏩᏂ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎦᎸᎳᏗᏦᏒ ᎠᏓᏅᏒ ᏧᎾᏁᎶᏗᎢ with the following rationale: One can see the discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Heaven_Sent_Gaming for example. I would suspect this article was established for promotional purposes. It's just not important enough for an article here. Biosthmors (talk) 19:54, 20 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎧᎹᎹ ᎤᏔᎾ. The article is about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantidae but we don't even have an article on elephant at the moment here. This topic is just too technical to be useful at this point in time on this project, in my opinion. Biosthmors (talk) 20:00, 20 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

Similarly, I placed on {{Delete}} on ᏏᏆᎤᏤᏣᏍᏗ as it's also a technical biological concept ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6584653 ). I went ahead and deleted the link back to that Cherokee article on Wikidata. I also went ahead and created an article on opossum with a picture (ᏏᏆ ᎤᏤᏥᏍᏗ), since we didn't previously have one. Biosthmors (talk) 21:57, 20 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on Zemeros flegyas. It's an Asian species of butterfly, and I don't see how there would be a Cherokee word for it. There were no hits when searching for the English word "Zemeros" in the Cherokee online dictionary. Honestly, I don't see why we should host obscure articles here that have no conceivable connection to the Cherokee language. I feel like this encyclopedia needs to prioritize things that are relevant in Cherokee if we are to attract those wishing to preserve and revitalize the language. Any article we host here, in my opinion, is an implicit request for contributions from those with Cherokee knowledge. And since Cherokee is endangered, and that resource (Cherokee knowledge) is exceedingly scarce, I feel like we should be mindful of that and typically only host relevant concepts or things of general interest to a global population. (A random Polish town or village would not qualify, for example. I recall seeing those on this site.) For examples of relevant concepts in Cherokee, this link shows files with terms for animals, insects, and plants that are documented on the Cherokee Nation website. Biosthmors (talk) 20:35, 20 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎠᏣᏅᏙ. This word is defined as ornament, and despite that, this title used to host the article on plasma, which has been moved and is now at ᎩᎦ ᎤᎸᏌᏓ. An inappropriate redirect remains. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 18:26, 29 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed on {{Delete}} on Ayyavazhi. It is a Hindu denomination of 8 to 10 million people according to the English Wikipedia. One day when there's an article on Hinduism (one doesn't currently exists according to Wikidata) perhaps it can be mentioned there. This topic is too specialized for this project's purposes at this moment. When so many things that do have Cherokee words for them aren't covered here I just don't see the point. The same goes for Carl Menger. Perhaps he could be mentioned on an economics article should one be written. I placed the delete template there as well. Biosthmors (talk) 23:39, 29 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on the redirect ᎠᏬᎭᎵ. It redirects to the concept of eagle, however it appears that this redirect is main word for eagle according to a dictionary search. So I propose moving ᏬᎭᎵ (eagle) there when it is deleted. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 20:06, 13 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎢᏃᎵ. It is currently linked to Wikidata as the American badger. However, I can't find a word for badger on the online dictionary. There also isn't a word for badger on the Cherokee Nation poster of animals.[4] However, I did find the word ᎢᏃᎵ on the Consortium Word List, which says it means "black fox". After looking that up it might refer to a historical person as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Fox_(Cherokee_chief) or to an animal as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_fox_(animal) , or both concepts perhaps. I propose deleting it for now as it appears we have it wrong for the moment. Biosthmors (talk) 20:19, 13 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎬᏂᎨᏧᎵ. I couldn't find any evidence that this was the correct word for the red fox. For what it's worth, ᏧᎵ is the accepted word for fox according to the Cherokee Nation poster of animals. Biosthmors (talk) 20:28, 13 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

ᏧᎳ seems to be the current entry on fox for what it's worth. Maybe ᏧᎳ and ᏧᎵ are synonyms. To be determined. Biosthmors (talk) 17:45, 14 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)
The Cherokee Nation word list[5] gives ᏧᎳ for fox. Interesting. The Raven Rock/Eastern dialect dictionary gives ᏧᎳ ᎩᎦᎨ for the red fox. Both the Noquisis word list and the Raven Rock Dictionary give ᏧᎳ for fox, so with three sources I think it's safe to say ᏧᎳ is the predominant word for fox. Biosthmors (talk) 17:19, 20 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᏗᏂᏃᎨᏂ because the dictionary says it is defined as "arms" but right now it is tied to the concept of rifle via Wikidata. When you go to the dictionary to search for arm, then you see that ᏗᎧᏃᎨᏂ is the NC medical definition for arms. And ᎦᏃᎨᏂ is given as the term for his arm. Given that all of these words have ᏃᎨᏂ in them, I suspect this is a biological term, and not one for armaments. Given the ambiguity, and the fact there's no real content, I say we should just delete it. Biosthmors (talk) 20:34, 15 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on Ꮄꭲꮹ. It appears someone interested in Japanese culture added the article, but it isn't a Cherokee word I think it's safe to assume. If we're proven wrong later, the article can be recreated. I also placed the delete template on Ꮌꮩ Ꭶꭰꮚꭱꮎ Ꮙꮚꮎ Ꮤꮳ as it is something relevant in Japanese but not in Cherokee, I presume. Ethnologue says ~1500 people speak Cherokee right now. I imagine they are talking about something else in Cherokee than random things that are concepts in Japanese. Biosthmors (talk) 18:04, 17 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᎠᏫᏳᏍᏘ. I could not find a match for antelope in the either online dictionary or the animals poster. I don't know how we can make sure this is the right word. For what it's worth, the google definition says that antelope are African and/or Asian, so I'm not sure a Cherokee word for them even exists. And as an aside, specific Cherokee words for bird species abound. I'm guessing we're missing a lot of those articles. Biosthmors (talk) 20:47, 17 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I can imagine words for non-native animals exist. In Limburgish, we've got words like tieger too, while tigers do not natively occur in our region. For now, I'd give this one the benefit of the doubt. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:17, 20 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I placed {{Delete}} on ᏡᎬᎢ. It is a redirect to the current tree article ᏡᎬ, but I find ᏡᎬᎢ more frequently as the word for tree in the dictionary. Also, for what it's worth, ᏡᎬ is only defined in the online dictionary as a Microsoft computing term for a data tree. I guess leaving it as a redirect to ᏡᎬᎢ is fine though. Biosthmors (talk) 16:51, 21 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Prolonging temporary admin access[edit]

@Biosthmors and other users: my admin access expires on the 30th of July. I would like to prolong it, as I have used it a few times the past three months. I hope you agree with that :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:11, 21 ᎫᏰᏉᏂ 2018 (UTC)

Works for me! Biosthmors (talk) 16:34, 22 ᎫᏰᏉᏂ 2018 (UTC)
They've prolonged it for half a year, to expire on 30 January :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:18, 31 ᎫᏰᏉᏂ 2018 (UTC)
Is it time for another renewal Ooswesthoesbes, or did they already grant you the user rights again? Best. Biosthmors (talk) 21:18, 9 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)
No, I'll make the announcement :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:39, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Temporary admin access again[edit]

Dear people, as my admin access expired over a month ago, I would like to reapply if you all agree :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:40, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 13:38, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

I informed meta here. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:47, 19 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Granted for 6 months. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 16:29, 19 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Site notice[edit]

The site notice posts "Do you speak ᏣᎳᎩ ᎧᏬᏂᎯᏍᏗ? Help us to revive the Cherokee Wikipedia! Discuss the future of this project on ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ:ᎾᎥ ᏄᎾᏓᎸ ᎾᎿᎢ." for all newcomers to view I presume, and I just never dismiss it. I use the link to ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ:ᎾᎥ ᏄᎾᏓᎸ ᎾᎿᎢ to come here from time to time. But no matter what Cherokee Wikipedia page I view right now, the link to ᏫᎩᏇᏗᏯ:ᎾᎥ ᏄᎾᏓᎸ ᎾᎿᎢ is bold and doesn't actually link here. Any ideas? Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 13:42, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Well it's an active link again, and I guess I just closed out a browser window and reopened one. I'm don't know what would cause this. Biosthmors (talk) 13:52, 12 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)
It must be, as for me it is functioning just fine too. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:55, 14 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Hi guys[edit]

I'm one of those that originally tried to whip up some steam in regards to this Cherokee Wiki a million years ago (I added the Cherokee keyboard under the edit box etc). I'm glad to see some more people being active. I am nowhere near a good speaker though, so mostly I just help in the background. I just wanted to say I'm here too! Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 18:14, 28 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Hello there! Thanks for your contributions, and thanks for saying hello. I saw this in the news about students writing in Cherokee. Maybe reaching out to tsalagi dideloquasdi, the Cherokee immersion school in Tahlequah, Oklahoma, is worth a shot? I wish I knew more Cherokee, but I just know a tiny amount. But I'm happy to help answer questions about editing here if someone with Cherokee knowledge has any questions. Best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 01:48, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)
Hi! :) That might be a good idea indeed. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 10:18, 29 ᎠᏄᏱ 2019 (UTC)
Hello again Nesnad! I was wondering if you might be able to help out with something (two somethings actually). First, what does ᏛᎿᎢ ᏙᎪᏪᎸ mean? I tried to look those words up at http://www.cherokeedictionary.net/ but I didn't get any hits. Also, I was uncertain if ᎦᏂᏝᎢ is the right word for animals. I shared alternatives to that spelling at Talk:ᎦᏂᏝᎢ. Do you have any thoughts? Many thanks! And best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 20:39, 25 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)
As I said above, I am less than a good speaker, so I guess I failed. 2011 is too long ago to remember what sources I was studying from, but clearly I got excited to learn something new and added a page that was wrong? From the grouping it is pretty clear I thought I learned how to classify animals scientifically, but that is clearly wrong as you point out. Should be redirected or renamed, I think the list is somewhat useful though. Although I suppose the subsets of the list (although I didn't make them) should be checked too. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 01:00, 27 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)
Ah no worries, and thanks for the reply! I don't think there's any rush to do anything with ᏛᎿᎢ ᏙᎪᏪᎸ. Perhaps it's a good idea for an article based on a good source you were using. Best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 01:47, 27 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)
It looks like there was some classroom and/or Cherokee Nation involvement here back in 2009 on ᏣᎳᎩ ᏧᎾᏕᎶᏆᏍᏗ (the article for Tsalagi Dideloquasdi, the Cherokee Immersion School) and ᏪᏌ, for what it's worth. Biosthmors (talk) 18:28, 27 ᏕᎭᎷᏱ 2019 (UTC)

Multilingual Shared Templates and Modules[edit]

Hello chr-wiki community! (Please help translate to your language)

I recently organized a project to share templates and modules between wikis. It allows modules and templates to be “language-neutral”, and store all text translations on Commons. This means that it is enough to copy/paste a template without any changes, and update the translations separately. If someone fixes a bug or adds a new feature in the original module, you can copy/paste it again without any translation work. My bot DiBabelYurikBot can help with copying. This way users can spend more time on content, and less time on updating and copying templates. Please see project page for details and ask questions on talk page.

P.S. I am currently running for the Wikimedia board, focusing on content and support of multi-language communities. If you liked my projects like maps, graphs, or this one, I will be happy to receive your support. (any registered user group can vote). Thank you! --Yurik (talk) 05:59, 11 ᎠᎾᎠᎬᏘ 2019 (UTC)